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I think you would do well to consider the ...Shane,<br /><br />I think you would do well to consider the comments Thad made to you and the spirit in which he made them. He is an excellent writer and through his efforts, blazing the trail so to speak, he and others have made it easier for you to have the opportunity to sit on press row.<br /><br />There are standards for a reason and most are well conceived from those with long experience at doing their jobs. Maybe you didn't realize the extent to which your actions appeared but when you were called out and responded by giving a fellow member of the press the finger it was both juvenile and inappropriate. It did nothing but reinforce the idea that you didn't belong in the press section. <br /><br />Your blog pieces attacking Bob Heymann in the aftermath also reveal more of your true agenda than it says about Mr. Heymann's attitude toward your actions. If you felt like he was out of line I remind you the best way to deal with any verbal attack is to respond with dignity, class, and a clarity of speech that represents your point of view and renders the antagonist mute by force of logic and wit. If you had responded in that manner it would have reflected much more favorably on you than resorting to puerile actions. <br /><br />I hope you take Thad's criticism to heart. I believe you will learn and grow as a result. In my opinion, both you and your readers would benefit in the future.thebearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-37200406527047341632011-03-15T10:27:31.258-04:002011-03-15T10:27:31.258-04:00And yet another reason to despise Duke and the ins...And yet another reason to despise Duke and the insufferable know-it-all dickwads it produces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-42560771899172919202011-03-15T08:49:31.940-04:002011-03-15T08:49:31.940-04:00Looks like the blog is eating comments again, so I...Looks like the blog is eating comments again, so I'll try to post my comment once more:<br /><br />I wish Thad had posted his comments before I wrote my response, because it would've saved me some time. This story is well told, but there are some gaping holes of logic and ignorant rants in there. My response got a bit long, so instead of hogging the comment thread, I turned it into a post on my blog:<br /><br />http://www.john-zhu.com/blog/2011/03/15/why-this-rant-against-sportswriters-at-the-acc-tournament-is-full-of-sht/Johnhttp://www.john-zhu.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-19056214273378106862011-03-15T08:35:37.858-04:002011-03-15T08:35:37.858-04:00I wish Thad had posted his comments before I wrote...I wish Thad had posted his comments before I wrote my response to this, because it would've saved me some time. This story is well told, but there are some gaping holes of logic and ignorant rants that I, as someone who was also sitting on press row at the ACC Tournament for the first time, just had to respond to. My response got a bit long, so instead of hogging the comment thread, I turned it into a post on my blog:<br /><br />http://www.john-zhu.com/blog/2011/03/15/why-this-rant-against-sportswriters-at-the-acc-tournament-is-full-of-sht/Johnhttp://www.john-zhu.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-16072647434183471042011-03-15T00:43:34.197-04:002011-03-15T00:43:34.197-04:00Dude, you can write. Nice job. But there's som...Dude, you can write. Nice job. But there's some good stuff out there, too. As another guy wanting to get into it, I hope you remember that. You've obviously got a shitload of talent. Don't get jaded yet.Tim D.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-58513678742988418362011-03-15T00:23:54.175-04:002011-03-15T00:23:54.175-04:00To one aspiring youngling who hates press boxes to...To one aspiring youngling who hates press boxes to another, thank you.Callum McCarthyhttp://crushasaurus.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-15200756251178574862011-03-14T23:21:47.112-04:002011-03-14T23:21:47.112-04:00Shane, I don't think you are too wild and imma...Shane, I don't think you are too wild and immature. I actually think you are perfectly smart and probably a very nice guy as well. But you seem to have misunderstood the point of the no cheering rule and why it's especially important for non-mainstream folk to adhere to it. And I was looking right at you from 5 feet away when you cheered late in the UNC-Miami game and later on in the Duke-Maryland game. To be fair, it's not as if you were yelling or waving a pom pom, but you had a physical reaction to some of the plays that was significant enough to get my attention and that of others. It was well outside the accepted norm. It's okay if you don't care about the norm, but I'm just relaying to you how it looked to others.<br /><br />And no, I'm not Bob. I'm Thad Williamson, and I covered the ACC Tournament for the Durham Independent Weekly. I write for Inside Carolina as well. But before blog readers write me off as another UNC guy, I also wrote a piece for the Duke Basketball Report just last week, and if you go way back wrote an article in 1999 called "The Virtues of Duke Basketball" based on my experience covering a game in Cameron. I have witnessed and played a small part in the evolution of the media scene that has taken place, such that it is way, way more inclusive and egalitarian than it was 15 years ago. If you think it's snobby and status-obsessed now, you have no idea what it was like before or the way new media people were treated. (Ever tried covering a game from the nosebleeds in Cole Field House?) Sure the older beat reporters are clubby, and it's easy to feel left out. The antidote is to form your own club. <br /><br />One more thing: just because younger generation doesn't read the papers does not mean they are irrelevant. Fading, but not irrelevant. A lot of people still do read them, and they are the ones with the resources to seriously pursue investigative stories. Or do detailed feature stories. And they have the resources to pay talented young people like Wiederer enough to live on.<br /><br />Shane, good luck with your blog (and in fan mode now, congrats to Duke for a very deserved ACC Tournament title).Thad Williamsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10147760122320054403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-88569550688260615432011-03-14T23:16:46.572-04:002011-03-14T23:16:46.572-04:00Shane,
Unbelievably great post. The Moody Blues ...Shane,<br /><br />Unbelievably great post. The Moody Blues should take over press row, and head butt these MO FO'sTimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03824256559233130383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-8937969300017968562011-03-14T22:56:22.464-04:002011-03-14T22:56:22.464-04:00This is a great point...Carolina Grads in my exper...This is a great point...Carolina Grads in my experience have been more "status-obsessed and arrogant" than any Duke Grad and/or students I've met...Besides, ECU is the best anyway...lol P.S. I'm pretty sure Thad is Bob...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-83549307917610661552011-03-14T22:51:07.195-04:002011-03-14T22:51:07.195-04:00Thad, appreciate the comment. I disagree with your...Thad, appreciate the comment. I disagree with your characterization of my "cheering" or "fist pumping" and with the overall condescension and implication that I'm too wild and immature to warrant a place in the noble confines of press row, but that's bound to happen and it's frankly not worth the debate. Your other points are well taken. I'm also curious if you had trouble posting this comment, since it seems to be a problem.<br /><br />At this point I'm no longer going to respond to comments in this post since, to me, it's something I wrote and learned from and am now content to move past. Please feel free to continue commenting, and know that I'm not ignoring you personally.<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-71518914732314129662011-03-14T22:28:26.711-04:002011-03-14T22:28:26.711-04:001. I was there on press row too, and you were chee...1. I was there on press row too, and you were cheering throughout the Duke games (and the UNC games too), more than just the one occasion. You were fist pumping many times at big plays. I understand why that happens, and I'm not condemning you for it, but the account here is a little inaccurate in the amount of cheering you were indulging in.<br /><br />2. I don't think you show any understanding here of why the "no cheering" rule is in place, and why it is especially important at an event like the ACC Tournament. It is because when we put on the media credential, our role in relationship to the game changes. You are right, it is a different role than that of the fan. It is okay if you like being a fan better. But when you are there to cover a game, the idea is to analyze and report what is going on, and to allow your colleagues to do the same. <br /><br />This is especially important in the ACC Tournament with writers from different schools, cities, etc. who have competing allegiances. If I (as a writer, most often, for a UNC-affiliated publicaiton) notice you taking pleasure when Carolina is struggling, it detracts from my ability to analyze what is going on objectively. Instead it calls up my own emotional reactions to what is going on. That is why cheering on press row is considered unprofessional, because it detracts from everyone's ability to do the job they are there to do.<br /><br />3. As someone who has worked at publications at the margins of the mainstream sports media for a long time--back to 1995--it irritates me that you do not appreciate how cheering on press row is particularly damaging to those who write for "school affiliated publications." The knock against such publications is that those who staff them can't be professional and hence should be excluded from access. Over time, we (in dot com media, school affiliated pubs etc) have shown we can provide coverage that is different to and in some ways better than what the newspapers can do, in part because we are free of the space restriction and the formatting restrictions of conventional media. It has been a long struggle to get to the point where the ACC and other powers that be are happy to issue us press credentials so we have the same access as everyone else. And hence it's irritating to have someone come along who doesn't take the value of a credential seriously and acts in a way that undermines the credibility of those who are trying to do good journalism for smaller or niche publications and websites.<br /><br />4. As to your comments on the beat reporters themselves, I would advise you to spend a bit more time around them and in their shoes before issuing such a broad denunciation of what they do. It's a not a job I would want for myself, and no the beat writers don't look like an impressive group as a mob, but as individuals they are generally very knowledgeable and have wisdom worth respecting.<br /><br />5. I agree that the on-stage press conferences are of limited value, but the real action is in locker room interviews. Did you conduct any locker room interviews? That is where you can ask any quesiton you want of players and have a good chance of getting a non-canned answer. It's in the locker room that people like Widerer do their best work. And in my experience it's simply false to asser that the relationship between media and players is always one of mistrust and condescension. Players are willing to talk and share openly, especially when journalists take an interest in them as human beings not just as box score contributors. <br /><br />6. All that said, I am sure you are very good blogger, and it's fine if you prefer that role to being a media member. Please just don't apply for a credential next time if you're not able to live with the norms and responsibilites involved.Thad Williamsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10147760122320054403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-12865997972117263292011-03-14T22:26:12.101-04:002011-03-14T22:26:12.101-04:001. I was there on press row too, and you were chee...1. I was there on press row too, and you were cheering throughout the Duke games (and the UNC games too), more than just the one occasion. You were fist pumping many times at big plays. I understand why that happens, and I'm not condemning you for it, but the account here is a little inaccurate in the amount of cheering you were indulging in.<br /><br />2. I don't think you show any understanding here of why the "no cheering" rule is in place, and why it is especially important at an event like the ACC Tournament. It is because when we put on the media credential, our role in relationship to the game changes. You are right, it is a different role than that of the fan. It is okay if you like being a fan better. But when you are there to cover a game, the idea is to analyze and report what is going on, and to allow your colleagues to do the same. <br /><br />This is especially important in the ACC Tournament with writers from different schools, cities, etc. who have competing allegiances. If I (as a writer, most often, for a UNC-affiliated publicaiton) notice you taking pleasure when Carolina is struggling, it detracts from my ability to analyze what is going on objectively. Instead it calls up my own emotional reactions to what is going on. That is why cheering on press row is considered unprofessional, because it detracts from everyone's ability to do the job they are there to do.<br /><br />3. As someone who has worked at publications at the margins of the mainstream sports media for a long time--back to 1995--it irritates me that you do not appreciate how cheering on press row is particularly damaging to those who write for "school affiliated publications." The knock against such publications is that those who staff them can't be professional and hence should be excluded from access. Over time, we (in dot com media, school affiliated pubs etc) have shown we can provide coverage that is different to and in some ways better than what the newspapers can do, in part because we are free of the space restriction and the formatting restrictions of conventional media. It has been a long struggle to get to the point where the ACC and other powers that be are happy to issue us press credentials so we have the same access as everyone else. And hence it's irritating to have someone come along who doesn't take the value of a credential seriously and acts in a way that undermines the credibility of those who are trying to do good journalism for smaller or niche publications and websites.<br /><br />4. As to your comments on the beat reporters themselves, I would advise you to spend a bit more time around them and in their shoes before issuing such a broad denunciation of what they do. It's a not a job I would want for myself, and no the beat writers don't look like an impressive group as a mob, but as individuals they are generally very knowledgeable and have wisdom worth respecting.<br /><br />5. I agree that the on-stage press conferences are of limited value, but the real action is in locker room interviews. Did you conduct any locker room interviews? That is where you can ask any quesiton you want of players and have a good chance of getting a non-canned answer. It's in the locker room that people like Widerer do their best work. And in my experience it's simply false to asser that the relationship between media and players is always one of mistrust and condescension. Players are willing to talk and share openly, especially when journalists take an interest in them as human beings not just as box score contributors. <br /><br />6. All that said, I am sure you are very good blogger, and it's fine if you prefer that role to being a media member. Please just don't apply for a credential next time if you're not able to live with the norms and responsibilites involved.Thad Williamsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10147760122320054403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-80939786903129473332011-03-14T22:25:44.775-04:002011-03-14T22:25:44.775-04:00Excellent work. Inspiring post.Excellent work. Inspiring post.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16065332850540401184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-86075926815781787812011-03-14T22:22:19.993-04:002011-03-14T22:22:19.993-04:00Anon, this is a common problem on this site. Comme...Anon, this is a common problem on this site. Comments get deleted because of some blogger glitch. If you'll look at the rest of the comments, you'll see that positive and negative ones remain. I deleted exactly one comment on this post, and that was when someone posted Heymann's phone #. Write it again, copy it for safety, and it'll probably show up.<br /><br />In the meantime, thanks for all the comments, positive and negative.<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-509302969973965482011-03-14T22:17:01.337-04:002011-03-14T22:17:01.337-04:00A few comments on this.
1. I was there on press r...A few comments on this.<br /><br />1. I was there on press row too, and you were cheering throughout the Duke games (and the UNC games too), more than just the one occasion. You were fist pumping many times at big plays. I understand why that happens, and I'm not condemning you for it, but the account here is a little inaccurate in the amount of cheering you were indulging in.<br /><br />2. I don't think you show any understanding here of why the "no cheering" rule is in place, and why it is especially important at an event like the ACC Tournament. It is because when we put on the media credential, our role in relationship to the game changes. You are right, it is a different role than that of the fan. It is okay if you like being a fan better. But when you are there to cover a game, the idea is to analyze and report what is going on, and to allow your colleagues to do the same. <br /><br />This is especially important in the ACC Tournament with writers from different schools, cities, etc. who have competing allegiances. If I (as a writer, most often, for a UNC-affiliated publicaiton) notice you taking pleasure when Carolina is struggling, it detracts from my ability to analyze what is going on objectively. Instead it calls up my own emotional reactions to what is going on. That is why cheering on press row is considered unprofessional, because it detracts from everyone's ability to do the job they are there to do.<br /><br />3. As someone who has worked at publications at the margins of the mainstream sports media for a long time--back to 1995--it irritates me that you do not appreciate how cheering on press row is particularly damaging to those who write for "school affiliated publications." The knock against such publications is that those who staff them can't be professional and hence should be excluded from access. Over time, we (in dot com media, school affiliated pubs etc) have shown we can provide coverage that is different to and in some ways better than what the newspapers can do, in part because we are free of the space restriction and the formatting restrictions of conventional media. It has been a long struggle to get to the point where the ACC and other powers that be are happy to issue us press credentials so we have the same access as everyone else. And hence it's irritating to have someone come along who doesn't take the value of a credential seriously and acts in a way that undermines the credibility of those who are trying to do good journalism for smaller or niche publications and websites.<br /><br />4. As to your comments on the beat reporters themselves, I would advise you to spend a bit more time around them and in their shoes before issuing such a broad denunciation of what they do. It's a not a job I would want for myself, and no the beat writers don't look like an impressive group as a mob, but as individuals they are generally very knowledgeable and have wisdom worth respecting.<br /><br />5. I agree that the on-stage press conferences are of limited value, but the real action is in locker room interviews. Did you conduct any locker room interviews? That is where you can ask any quesiton you want of players and have a good chance of getting a non-canned answer. It's in the locker room that people like Widerer do their best work. And in my experience it's simply false to asser that the relationship between media and players is always one of mistrust and condescension. Players are willing to talk and share openly, especially when journalists take an interest in them as human beings not just as box score contributors. <br /><br />6. All that said, I am sure you are very good blogger, and it's fine if you prefer that role to being a media member. Please just don't apply for a credential next time if you're not able to live with the norms and responsibilites involved.Thad Williamsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-13438095278787398622011-03-14T20:41:17.042-04:002011-03-14T20:41:17.042-04:00Wow. I took the time to write a thoughtful, detail...Wow. I took the time to write a thoughtful, detailed comment that did not kiss your ass, and within a few hours, it's gone. How's that for being in the right? Keep up the good work, kid. You'll get far eliminating dissenting opinions, especially the ones that call you out for being, well... you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com