tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post6795588228852031063..comments2024-02-24T03:37:22.662-05:00Comments on Seth Curry Saves Duke!: Seth Curry Shot Chart, Nolan's POTY, Jalen RoseSPRhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03786996249022843460noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-80806304524618661512011-03-10T11:25:51.257-05:002011-03-10T11:25:51.257-05:00Anon, I remember reading about Rupp in "Loose...Anon, I remember reading about Rupp in "Loose Balls," a great book about the ABA. He got hired as a consultant or something by some team, and one of the guys (white dude) was remembering how he was just constantly saying racist shit. Sounds like not a nice dude. Makes it poetic justice that he lost to the first all-black champions ever.<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-54977558222406276002011-03-10T08:27:16.812-05:002011-03-10T08:27:16.812-05:00The comment connecting Coach K to his West Point b...The comment connecting Coach K to his West Point background hits the nail on the head. his program is all about discipline--if you don't fit that mold and can't accept it you better go elsewhere--i don't care what color you are or whether you're from the hood or the burbs !<br />He's shown some mellowing, including recruiting players who might not stay 4 years.<br />I can understand Roses's feelings but his conclusion is all wet. and yes the biggest racest in college basketball were A. Rupp and John Thompson !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-81416181550655649542011-03-09T22:23:21.508-05:002011-03-09T22:23:21.508-05:00Should only be* mandatory.
-ShaneShould only be* mandatory.<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-89802972394383145492011-03-09T22:22:54.499-05:002011-03-09T22:22:54.499-05:00Nasty, tomorrow's headline is: "Why abort...Nasty, tomorrow's headline is: "Why abortion should only mandatory for Protestants."<br /><br />Great call by anon on the military comparison. I was talking about this with my friend in the car tonight, and you can't say Coach K's strategy is motivated by race. You could easily say it's motivated by socio-economic background, to the extent that his strategies clearly show he's risk-averse in that regard, but that's up to him. Anyway, I do agree that he recruits kids who are more likely to buy into the system from day one.<br /><br />Mark, your reaction was a little harsh. Jalen Rose was essentially giving one perspective, and I thought it was interesting to hear the perception of Duke from his little corner of the world. Nothing more.<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-56864383435912298882011-03-09T19:19:47.467-05:002011-03-09T19:19:47.467-05:00I just sent you an email, let me know if you didnt...I just sent you an email, let me know if you didnt receive it <br /><br />Also, I agree with anonymous, his recruiting style is much similar to those of the academies, and he runs his program similar to the 4 year program at west point.Keithnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-9807570500265501232011-03-09T16:52:22.071-05:002011-03-09T16:52:22.071-05:00Where to start? Shane really hit the nail on the h...Where to start? Shane really hit the nail on the head, because it really doesn't matter what a bunch of educated white guys who read blogs (what a word) think. Maybe K's schtick doesn't play well in less-affluent housholds. Maybe the whole faux-gothic, private school thing is more appealing to other types of families you mention. Maybe urban black kids don't want to go anywhere with their Korean grocers' kids. Maybe it's because K is a fucking republican. At any rate, if the kid with teardrops tattooed on his face was the next John Wall, do you think would tell him "No, thanks"? Nevertheless, "Fuck Michigan" sums it up nicely.<br /><br />Also, the word you are looking for to describe your muse is "floater", not "bomber".<br /><br />-CBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-59452045348038566702011-03-09T16:51:52.441-05:002011-03-09T16:51:52.441-05:00I sent mine in a while ago.
-TyI sent mine in a while ago. <br /><br />-TyTynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-21257659068657940242011-03-09T16:17:38.149-05:002011-03-09T16:17:38.149-05:00Coach K is a West Point graduate. It shows -- the ...Coach K is a West Point graduate. It shows -- the discipline, the standard operating procedures, the military-type precision in which he runs his program. There are a lot of kids who can't meet that challenge. <br /><br />Whenever I watch a Duke/UNC game I quickly recognize within the first few minutes that Carolina most always has more athleticism. Which, for me, makes me appreciate even more what Duke accomplishes year in and year out. But then, that's the military-type challenge in getting the most of out of one's players every day, both on the court and in life. Duke seems to be prepared to play pretty much every game compared to, say, Virginia Tech.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-56529172563810140252011-03-09T16:05:19.023-05:002011-03-09T16:05:19.023-05:00I'll throw some of the Big 5 coaches in for co...I'll throw some of the Big 5 coaches in for consideration as well: Jay Wright at 'Nova, Dunphy at Temple, and Phil Martelli at St. Joe's.<br /><br /><br />I'm seeing a pattern:<br />Post about religion = lots of comments<br />Post about stats = few comments<br />Post about race = lots of comments<br /><br />You should go on a rant about abortion tomorrow and really get those page views up :)NastyEmunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-51517503251281700802011-03-09T15:51:48.789-05:002011-03-09T15:51:48.789-05:00Let me get this straight. All of a sudden Mike Kr...Let me get this straight. All of a sudden Mike Krzyzewski is a racist because the kids he recruits aren't black enough??? Good grief. I guess filling your roster with kick ass black players (Duke's list is lengthy) isn't enough. They have to be from the 'hood. I thought it was all about recruiting GOOD players (white or black or green or purple), winning basketball games and national titles. Now there are style points and political correctness? It's enough to make me sick.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02826259662025831501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-68101094158302287912011-03-09T15:16:02.373-05:002011-03-09T15:16:02.373-05:00"and I think reading racism or anything into ..."and I think reading racism or anything into it is problematic"<br /><br />And that's my problem with Jalen--he's basically calling Coach K a racist for not recruiting people from 'the hood.' (I know that's taking what he said out of context, but that's how I read it, and if I'm wrong, so be it--look at all those commas!) If you want to talk about racism and college basketball, the conversation starts with John Thompson II and ends with John Thompson III.<br /><br />Oh and that list I came up with earlier doesn't include guys we recruited and missed on such as John Wall (very recent).Chris Herren's Sponsornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-52293268881465998752011-03-09T14:16:11.675-05:002011-03-09T14:16:11.675-05:00Somehow this comment got deleted. This is starting...Somehow this comment got deleted. This is starting to get annoying:<br /><br />CHS, look at your examples:<br /><br />*A transfer<br />*A guy from Oklahoma who was on the National Honor Society and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes (Shelden)<br />*A lot of players who had trouble AFTER coming to Duke.<br /><br />When you reduce it, you have maybe four or five guys who were really from "the streets." And you'll notice that none of your examples come from the last few years, which means that even if Coach K recruited poor black players, he seemed to back off from the practice.<br /><br />Sorry, but 4 guys is not a trend, it's an exception. The OVERWHELMING majority of black players at Duke fall into the other category. Just because some got in trouble after coming to Duke doesn't mean they fit the profile Rose was talking about.<br /><br />I do agree with you about the Fab 5, though. And I don't have a huge problem with whatever Coach K does on the recruiting trail. That's his business, and I think reading racism or anything into it is problematic. We don't know why they operate the way they do.<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-14688297386173982082011-03-09T13:04:53.206-05:002011-03-09T13:04:53.206-05:00CHS, I mean, look at your examples:
*A transfer
*...CHS, I mean, look at your examples:<br /><br />*A transfer<br />*A guy from Oklahoma who was on the National Honor Society and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes (Shelden)<br />*A lot of players who had trouble AFTER coming to Duke.<br /><br />When you reduce it, you have maybe four or five guys who were really from "the streets." And you'll notice that none of your examples come from the last few years, which means that even if Coach K recruited poor black players, he seemed to back off from the practice.<br /><br />Sorry, but 4 guys is not a trend, it's an exception. The OVERWHELMING majority of black players at Duke fall into the other category. Just because some got in trouble after coming to Duke doesn't mean they fit the profile Rose was talking about.<br /><br />I do agree with you about the Fab 5, though. And I don't have a huge problem with whatever Coach K does on the recruiting trail. That's his business, and I think reading racism or anything into it is problematic. We don't know why they operate the way they do.<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-2161713499262333692011-03-09T12:33:52.127-05:002011-03-09T12:33:52.127-05:00I occasionally visited Inside Carolina (because I&...I occasionally visited Inside Carolina (because I'm an intellectual masochist) and it's funny that by the Georgia Tech loss they were having strokes over Roy not benching LDII for Kendall. One of their stalwarts even surmised that Roy was experiencing strokes (thus the near-fainting during games) and the debate over when he'd be "on the bubble" (one more NIT appearance, damnit!!) raged.<br /><br />So Turnover Jesus self-jettisons, KM does what everyone but Roy knew he would do, and Roy is Coach of the Year?<br /><br />To paraphrase SNL... "really???" (thanks, Jill)sanfransoxfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00058097803996671735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-19359073569228413292011-03-09T12:25:56.026-05:002011-03-09T12:25:56.026-05:00The above should read "are all these guys fro...The above should read "are all these guys from polished, well to do families?" Whoops.Chris Herren's Sponsornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-91379941592863645262011-03-09T12:23:13.968-05:002011-03-09T12:23:13.968-05:00I wonder what Jalen's buddy C-Webb thinks of h...I wonder what Jalen's buddy C-Webb thinks of his comments, considering Webber almost went to Duke. It's really interesting that the Fab 5 is remembered for just about everything but actually winning:<br /><br />1) Getting smoked 71-51<br />2) Calling extra timeouts<br />3) Wearing black socks<br />4) NCAA violations<br />5) No Big 10 championships<br /><br />Aside from the fact that he's totally wrong, it's just incredibly ignorant to defend those statements 20 years later. Off the top of my head, are these guys Uncle Tom's?<br /><br />Sean Dockery--west side of Chicago, issues with grades<br />Shelden Williams--rape allegations<br />Corey Maggette--Myron Piggie<br />Elton Brand--grew up in Dunbar Heights housing project<br />William Avery--not a scholastic all star<br />Ricky Price--plagarism at Duke<br />Roshown McLeod--from the inner city in Jersey City (even if he was a transfer)<br />Chris Carrawell--from East St. Louis<br /><br />There are 'exceptions' and there are 'trends.' I'd say the above is more of a trend than an exception. Like every school, Duke recruits athletes from all backgrounds. People like Jalen keep race relations in neutral--keep it up moron.Chris Herren's Sponsornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-82957598041392958522011-03-09T12:05:55.537-05:002011-03-09T12:05:55.537-05:00Marc, you're probably right; also, I think Roy...Marc, you're probably right; also, I think Roy has benefited from last year's shitshow. It looks like he rebuilt the program, to some extent.<br /><br />Lisa, totally agree. That's why the "Uncle Tom" comments didn't sit well. The recruits have nothing to do with it.<br /><br />Nasty, that's the tough part: too many of the college programs that do recruit inner city black kids have been outed as dirty. Like you said, it doesn't help the perception. Who would you (or anyone) say are middle ground type programs, who recruit everywhere but don't violate the rules? I'm thinking maybe Michigan St. is the best example.<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-77876731128866769342011-03-09T11:27:45.998-05:002011-03-09T11:27:45.998-05:00Yes, ACC tourney preview tomorrow morning early.
...Yes, ACC tourney preview tomorrow morning early.<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-62049916694845838042011-03-09T11:25:40.027-05:002011-03-09T11:25:40.027-05:00Jimmy King isn't doing anything to remove the ...Jimmy King isn't doing anything to remove the "stigmatism" that inner city black kids are less intelligent. (2:15 to 2:25 of the video).<br /><br />I understand Rose's feelings as an 18 year old, but hearing a guy from a team that had to vacate both of their Final Four appearances because of NCAA violations criticize the Duke program is kind of ridiculous.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Michigan_basketball_scandalNastyEmunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-47227108984137384382011-03-09T11:20:49.418-05:002011-03-09T11:20:49.418-05:00Heck yea he would've turned Duke down, Michiga...Heck yea he would've turned Duke down, Michigan could definitely offer more money. Ba-dum-ching!<br /><br />Oh goodness ACC tourney time, what a titillating event.<br /><br />Roy winning ACC Coach of the year is laughable. A poster on the scout forums sums up my feelings pretty well:<br /><br />"Duke loses Kyrie Irving<br />VT loses a bunch of guys<br />FSU loses Singleton<br />UNC loses all of their crappy players so Roy has no choice but to play his best"Mr. Intriguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06924550342688684217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-42304275923378634052011-03-09T11:12:24.059-05:002011-03-09T11:12:24.059-05:00Are you going to do an ACC tournament preview?Are you going to do an ACC tournament preview?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-14267322451411526802011-03-09T10:58:49.556-05:002011-03-09T10:58:49.556-05:00And also, re: Jalen Rose. It would've been di...And also, re: Jalen Rose. It would've been different, I guess, if he'd only criticized the Duke program and Coach K. That, like you said, is a valid point.<br /><br />But he had to lump in the recruits too. That's what pissed me off, the fact that he thinks his fellow black athletes "sold out." Would HE have turned down an opportunity to go to Duke? No way.<br /><br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-83238872810457669162011-03-09T10:58:01.662-05:002011-03-09T10:58:01.662-05:00Actually, no I don't. Drop me an e-mail if you...Actually, no I don't. Drop me an e-mail if you can.<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-50282300498001574892011-03-09T10:56:38.474-05:002011-03-09T10:56:38.474-05:00Got it, Lisa, thanks!
-ShaneGot it, Lisa, thanks!<br /><br />-ShaneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5974487880746995076.post-81937326403935421682011-03-09T10:54:46.223-05:002011-03-09T10:54:46.223-05:00Did you get mine? I sent it last night! I'll...Did you get mine? I sent it last night! I'll send it in a FB message.<br /><br />LisaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com